Heartland Institute President Threatens 71-year-old Veteran

I seeded a related link that came from the UK Guardian. It shows what Blast and other scientists-turned-lobbyists are paid: http://que2646.newsvine.com/_news/2012/02/19/10452195-climate-sceptics-who-gets-paid-what-environment-guardiancouk

physicist,

hmm what I wonder is if my ex started to work for them, cause she's a heartless one that would fit in perfectly with that environment. And she is bi-polar to boot which gives her an out when she does something.

...she is bi-polar to boot which gives her an out when she does something.

Hmmm... Interesting... Bi-polar... A mental disorder that is not too onerous to embrace as an excuse... I've always maintained that being (moderately) OCD may be the only mental disorder that has a significant upside to it. Us obsessive compulsive types are masters of detail and are often highly productive.

I've always maintained that being (moderately) OCD may be the only mental disorder that has a significant upside to it.

Most mental disorders are just levels on a spectrum of personality. Many, to a minor extent, "sub-clinical levels" are a benefit, or an advantage till you get to the extreme ends. A borderline minor sociopath could be a over-achieving CEO or inventor that thinks too much highly of himself and is destined for greatness, might be a bit of an ass, but actually does great things for the world because of it. Take that further, and you end up with a deluded psychopath murderer that thinks other people have no value.

Total simplification of the mental conditions that could be argued with in technical terms, but hopefully I got my point across.

Everybody is a little bit paranoid, everyone is a bit egotistical, ect. Sometimes it saves you, sometimes it keeps you going. Sometimes it's not "a bit" and becomes debilitating.

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Bast's response is one that I would consider threatening. He said he was turning the email over to their legal department, the forensic staff and the FBI. He also warned me not to delete any emails.

Totally expected from a pure paid propaganda machine. Disgusting every time there is an example of it, but expected.

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The fact that people are STILL defending an organization specifically created to distribute Phillip Morris pro-smoking publications as an independent and trustworthy "research" firm is insane.

But proving yourself right has become more important than being right, even if all evidence is against you, even if the only professionals on your side are paid propagandists.

•It's now been 6 days since the leak. Heartland could easily prove that the 'Strategy' document really is a fake, simply by releasing the original email, with attachments and timestamp. Why haven't they done that?

Because they know their believers, like birthers, will reject it as a fake outright. No need for them to bother proving anything.

You GO, Colonel! Give 'em hell, sir!

My check's in the mail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Just call first before you cash it.)

LMAO

Punch away, Castor! But know this... it doesn't do much for your credibility.

Wouldn't you have to agree that the lack of credibility is in the spreading of a fake document and proclaiming it to be true. Instead of facing the reality that one has been conned, one starts proclaiming that they are the victim because they are criticized for spreading a lie and making threats. Does this strike anyone else as more than a little bizarre?

IF a piece of this was fraudulent (and I don't know one way or the other) then I certainly don't condone that. But what about the other parts??? Have you no outrage for the undisputed pieces??? Also, did you express your outrage about the dissemination of false and misleading information in the climate-gate affair??? Your perspective seems kinda lopsided to me, Castor.

Who says its a fake Castor? I'd take odds on that if you're game.

I'll take the word of someone that has the upper right vine triggered in his vineacity too. :P

Caster, nobody believes you and nobody most CERTAINLY believes Heartland.

Find yourself another dead horse to flog.

Jonathan:

I'll take the word of someone that has the upper right vine triggered in his vineacity too. :P

A measure of trust, I agree - 'though I held P-r in high esteem well before then.

HEYYY---

Physicist is a Seinfeld fan!

lol...me too.

RP, sorry, but you are wrong again. As I have repeatedly told you over and over and over again, the sexy document is a forgery. It is written in the same style of writing as propagandist and activist Peter Gleick who conned the real email documents from HI.

They weren't sexy enough so good ol' Pete wrote his own, scanned it, and added it to the list. Unfortunately for Pete, the forgery is pathetically amaturish and immediately came under suspicion. That could be the reason that Pete lawyered up. He's certainly needs to.

Castor you're creeping me out a little with your use of the word "sexy" to describe a document.

using your logic dan...

it should just be called the "land".

When all else fails, or if you are caught with you pants down, sue. The uglier they get, the more interested the people will get in what is going on. Big guns, well they are probably just over compensating for other short comings.

HI is being slandered by use of a forged document. The ends do not justify the means. The Nixonian tactics of the propagandist warmists backfired on them this time. I have a feeling that HI is going to wind up with a lot of Soro's NGO cash when the dust settles.

the problem, castor, is that even if they're forged, they still say exactly what everybody knew they said.

its like forging a 100 dollar bill. you make it exactly the same as the original.

the problem, castor, is that even if they're forged, they still say exactly what everybody knew they said.

Holy@!$%#? Are you serious? Is that how you prove your point? Make stuff up and then claim that is what it would have said anyway?

Are you that desperate to silence everybody that dares to question your conclusions, that you will just blatantly make stuff up and say it is true?

I think itstoolate said it pretty well.

he who squeals the loudest, has the most to hide.

That is all alarmists do when people question their conclusions. They use slander and intimidation first, then they just lie.

Are you that desperate to silence everybody that dares to question your conclusions, that you will just blatantly make stuff up and say it is true?

LOL!

First, did you not see the evidence that Physicist Retired has provided throughout this thread? I bet you haven't looked at any of it.

Second...I find your comment interesting since it's an exact description of what was done to Climate scientists in that East Anglia thingy.

Projecting are we?

First, did you not see the evidence that Physicist Retired has provided throughout this thread? I bet you haven't looked at any of it.

I sure did read PR's evidence and if read my post from #1.23 you can see my answer to his evidence.

Second...I find your comment interesting since it's an exact description of what was done to Climate scientists in that East Anglia thingy.

We're not discussing the East Anglia thingy now are we. But since you brought it up, is there any evidence that the East Anglia emails had been tampered with? If there is, I haven't heard about it. The point is, not only did Glieck lie about who he was, he is now being accused of doctoring the documents.

But I guess since it has happened before, it is okay to do it again if it is your side doing it, right?

For some reason I can't post the link, but if you go THI's website and read there statement, I'd say they are clear enough in their accusation of Gleick.

I've seen no evidence of that, Iceman. Can you provide links that contain anything other than speculation?

Who do you think is going to accuse him? Read there press release. It sounds to be like they are refuting his claims. What do you make of it?

Because Glieck has clearly stated that both he and Heartland can prove nothing was altered in any way. That seems pretty clear to me, and it would be incredibly easy for Heartland to prove it isn't true.

So Gleick's word is to be trusted after he proved he is a liar?

Before I comment further, I will wait for the The Heartlands next statement.

FEBRUARY 19 — The Heartland Institute has sent legal notices to numerous Web sites, blogs, and publications asking them to take down the stolen and forged documents and what it views as malicious and false commentary based on them.

Physicist-retired

The cover-up begins? Deny, Delay, Defend, Distract and Distort...

hmm what does Tom DeLay have to do with anything, oh yeah, cover up. :P

Agreed. Let's wait for that.

PR, While your waiting... perhaps you will check your email...

malmute,

I suspect that he will have plenty of time to do that.

I'm not holding my breath for the HI either, Jonathan... ;-)

...HAVE you no SHAME Heartland?

...at long last HAVE YOU NO SHAME?!